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Since I'm worried about next week I'm posting stupid stuff over here to distract myself.

I'm still stuck with the writing and it sucks. I should probably write the BtVS/Thor crossover because Dawn and Loki should totally meet and Thor and Buffy would get along so well, I guess. It's just that lately my muse is drugged or something and while I wish to write about Loki and Thor I still don't care about the other characters of the Thor-verse that much. Thor and Loki and their fucked up relationship are my drug, but I don't know if I can take the other characters properly. It's much easier for me to write about BtVS but the muse is still unaviable. So maybe crossover. Or maybe I'll wait for Thor, the Dark World. I just hope to create something soon or I will forget how to write.

(Please, let Jane Foster be "the science woman" instead of just Thor's love interest. Please grant us much more shirtless Thor and domestic!Thor with the ponytail.)

I'm rewatching random Faith-episodes of BtVS. It's the second time that happens in a year. I'm enjoying so much the Faith-part of Buffy and my love for This year's girl and Who are you knows no boundaries. I'm thinking that maybe I really like Faith and maybe I'm resisting the love because in the past I read too much about "Faith is better than Buffy" and "Faith should be Angel's girlfriend" and that stuff put me off. Ultimately it puts me off the character A VS character B to conquer the love of character C. Also Faith/Buffy's rivalry - much like Thor and Loki's - is not about who is the best, but about differences and how they create certain dynamics.

Faith and Willow's rivalry FTW. I'm the only one who loves their conflict?

I found my first Harry Potter book! As soon as I can I will start to read it. I'm so excited about it!

The houses thing is still so fun and unclear to me. I understand that every house has a dominant characteristic like courage for Gryffindor and loyalty for Hufflepuff, but I think that most of the characters I love are too complex to be classified according to HP divisions. Like, okay, Thor is a Gryffindor and Loki is a Slytherin. But where can you put someone like Wesley? Or Willow? It gets much difficult, right? I would like to know how you would classify BtVS characters.

Is somebody watching Downton Abbey this year? There is someone who wants to rant about what happens in the 4x03 like WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?

I just ate an entire pizza and the fries. And that will explain my current mood.

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itsnotmymind
Oct. 12th, 2013 08:55 pm (UTC)
Yes, come over to the side of Faith-love! We actually don't have cookies, that I'm aware of, but we are really awesome.

I get the feeling of not being able to like one character because they are pitted against each other. I actually hated Spike for awhile because I was so tired of Buffy being negatively compared to him. I got over it, though.

I think Willow is a Ravenclaw, although she could be a Griffindor. All of Buffy's circle is so brave. I would also vote Ravenclaw for Wesley. He knows a lot.
kikimay
Oct. 12th, 2013 09:10 pm (UTC)
Faith should have cookies on her side. I mean, the Mayor would totally provide them for her.

Yes, it's the Faith against Buffy that puts me off, because I love Buffy so much. But they should be in competion, certainly not to win the dick of some vampire (Angel, Spike or whatever) Just stop with that shit.

I think Willow is a Ravenclaw, although she could be a Griffindor. All of Buffy's circle is so brave. I would also vote Ravenclaw for Wesley. He knows a lot.


Yeah. Willow could be a Ravenclaw, except that she's also very attracted to the power and her whole journey is about learning to be powerful and handling it, so Gryffindor is maybe the right choice? I dunno!
itsnotmymind
Oct. 12th, 2013 09:28 pm (UTC)
Faith should have cookies on her side. I mean, the Mayor would totally provide them for her.

You're right, he would! That's just the kind of fatherly thing he would do.

But they should be in competion, certainly not to win the dick of some vampire (Angel, Spike or whatever)

I agree--unless the vampire in question is Holden Webster. ;)
kikimay
Oct. 12th, 2013 09:44 pm (UTC)
I agree--unless the vampire in question is Holden Webster. ;)

Totally!
dragonyphoenix
Oct. 15th, 2013 03:25 pm (UTC)
Intesting that itsnotmymind jumped to Ravenclaw for Willow and then said and yeah, probably Wesley too. My immediate reaction was Wesley would be in Ravenclaw but I wasn't sure Willow would be.

But, given Willow's attraction to power, why not Slitherin? Granted it's generally not considered a learning to handle things or learning to be a better person House ... okay, I don't actually have a but for that sentence start, but why couldn't Slytherin have that aspect?
kikimay
Oct. 16th, 2013 11:50 am (UTC)
I think that Slytherin could do just fine for Willow. I also considered Gryffindor because of this "power-thingy", I think it's crucial for Willow: her relationship with power and her growing in self-confidence is maybe her most important journey. And I think that Wesley is really more focused on pure knowledge (that also gives power, but in a different way) so yes: Wesley/Ravenclaw works so much and so does Willow/Slytherin
dragonyphoenix
Oct. 16th, 2013 01:22 pm (UTC)
That's a great distinction, pure knowledge vs. power. And now I'm wondering if Willow would be chanting "Not Slytherin; not Slytherin" or if she'd be all, "oooh, Syltherin. Shiny!" ;-)
kikimay
Oct. 16th, 2013 02:18 pm (UTC)
I think that old school!Willow would be very reluctant at first, because Slytherin is all about ambition and young!Willow was so very shy and introverted and I guess that she didn't allow herself to think about power or indipendence. Mature!Willow maybe would be cool about that. She would also see the irony between that and her snake-demon-guide-lover. XD (I'm talking about Saga Vasuki in the comics)
dragonyphoenix
Oct. 16th, 2013 03:18 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah, Willow's character arc would totally change the school she allowed herself to feel comfortable about. And I love that bit about the irony: Slytherin and snake-demon. Nice.
red_satin_doll
Oct. 13th, 2013 12:58 am (UTC)
I actually hated Spike for awhile because I was so tired of Buffy being negatively compared to him. I got over it, though.

I don't hate Spike but I can come close sometimes for that very reason. I have to stop reading Spuffy fic because if I read one more damn story where....never mind. I can get too wrapped up in the tropes and take the whole damn thing too personally.

And I'm really not interested in measuring out blame by the teaspoonful, if you know what I mean.
itsnotmymind
Oct. 13th, 2013 01:38 am (UTC)
And I'm really not interested in measuring out blame by the teaspoonful, if you know what I mean.

I know exactly what you mean.
kikimay
Oct. 13th, 2013 08:30 am (UTC)
And I'm really not interested in measuring out blame by the teaspoonful, if you know what I mean.

Yeah.
red_satin_doll
Oct. 13th, 2013 12:56 am (UTC)
my love for This year's girl and Who are you knows no boundaries.

When I got my internet service up in the new apartment I had to decide which Btvs episode I wanted to rewatch first; I went with Dead Things but Who Are You was a close second. Those two may well be my favorite episodes if I'm honest. I absolutely adore the parallels between those two relationships. Except for the lack of sex between B/F, they're the same damn dynamic. Buffy's worst acts of violence are against both of them; the worst violations of her body (excluding the resurrection) are committed against her by the two of them.

I have actually been shipping Buffy/Faith post series lately, and it's interesting because in some ways it's more "problematic" than shipping buffy/spike: Spike said he wanted to "get inside her" to "make her feel" in SR, but Faith literally DID rape/violate Buffy, got inside of her, in ways that Spike never could (only Willow came close, entering her mind in TWoTW). I have a theory that just as being inside buffy was the turning point for Faith, being inside Faith affected buffy: TYG/ WAY just about predicts the entire trajectory of S6: two "resurrected" Slayers dig their way out of their graves (in a dream or reality); the dark sexuality of Faith and Spike at the Bronze (rather than the fluffy Spuffy of SB), the church scene/alley scene, Buffy taking on Faith's "take want have" philosophy in terms of sex with Spike, the self-loathing, etc.

I just love this stuff to little bitty pieces.

FYI - shadowkat67 gave a thumbs up to the third ep of The Crazy Ones. Have you continued watching it?
kikimay
Oct. 13th, 2013 08:43 am (UTC)
Buffy's worst acts of violence are against both of them; the worst violations of her body (excluding the resurrection) are committed against her by the two of them.

Right. And Faith and Spike are so similar in the roles they play in Buffy's life, they both are the dark mirror. When I wrote my Fuffy fic I realized how easy could have been to substitute Faith with Spike, they kinda play the same chords. Except that - at least for me - with Faith there's also the problem of self-identification and an almost sisterly bond (Two people who are constantly compared and the rivalry to be "the best" "like her"/"not like her") While with Spike there's a chivalrous element in the relationship that Faith and Buffy don't have. But it's fun to let Faith play the dark knight madly in love, because she's so intense.

I have a theory that just as being inside buffy was the turning point for Faith, being inside Faith affected buffy


That's an interesting theory. In the end of WAY Buffy seems affected by her time spent in Faith's body and she has a very revengful reaction later in AtS.



FYI - shadowkat67 gave a thumbs up to the third ep of The Crazy Ones. Have you continued watching it?


I actually stopped in the middle of the second episode because it was getting boring. XD But I think I'm going to rewatch it again and watch the third episode. The things we do for love! XD

red_satin_doll
Oct. 13th, 2013 03:11 pm (UTC)
with Faith there's also the problem of self-identification and an almost sisterly bond (Two people who are constantly compared and the rivalry to be "the best" "like her"/"not like her")

The exchange with the vampire in the church: "Slayer." / "The one and only." I also think that what we see between them, and between Dark Willow and Buffy at the end of S6, is on some level a competition for the limited amount of attention and rewards that "the patriarchy" (represented by the WC, by parental figures like Giles) dole out. Which is why all three of them have to be part of the Spell that changes that perceived limitation or lack. snowpuppies' "First and Last" covers this subject beautifully: http://snowpuppies.dreamwidth.org/322681.html?style=mine#cutid1

I'm writing post-series stuff right now too and it's interesting to explore the two of them forming a bond of friendship beyond the battlefield. Especially from Faith's POV, how does she even start to form "friendships"? She has no practice in it - she wasn't Angel's friend so much as his "project", someone else to save and earn points toward his redemption.

And new friendships can sometimes have a component of infatuation, almost romantic, talking to each other a lot, hanging out together, until the infatuation fades off. I suspect who we become friends with vs who we become lovers/partners with may simply be a matter of chance and circumstance in the given moment.

she's so intense

Buffy, & Faith are intense in different ways. If Buffy & Angel tend to try to hold the intensity and in Buffy's case implode inward, Faith & Spike explode outward. Buffy fears that she is turning to stone and becoming cold although she feels things deeply; she touches the fire "and it "freezes me"; while Faith lives in the fire, she's so full of life. Her challenge is to tamp it down somewhat - not so much tame as bring it under control so she can use it purposefully without scorching the earth. I think the same is true of Spike.


In the end of WAY Buffy seems affected by her time spent in Faith's body and she has a very revengful reaction later in AtS.

I'd probably find more about it if I read the academic journals or whatnot but I'm surprised it's not more common among fans here on LJ because when I say that it surprises people. The very last shots in WAY, the dissolve from Buffy to Faith in the boxcar suggests that - at one point they are both onscreen equally, and those sorts of dissolves are relatively uncommon on btvs. (I think ITW ends on another one.) Eleusis_walks meta on Faith and Buffy does cover some of this, but they focus on Faith as Erishkregal who wakes up and emerges from the underworld. I need to double-check but the versions of the Sumarian myth I read had Innana, the golden goddess, descend to the Underworld to Erishkregal, not the other way around.

I don't blame her for being pissed. Someone else taking your body? I think I've only seen a couple of fanfics that explore that seriously, my favorite being snowpuppies' brilliant remix fic "Who am I? (the Warm Champagne Remix)" (can you tell I love her work?) http://snowpuppies.dreamwidth.org/319848.html

I remember watching the AtS episodes ("Sanctuary"?) on Netflix last year immediately after WAY and being struck by the huge difference between Buffy at the end of WAY (it's Riley who dismisses her with "She's had her fun" not Buffy); and the "stone bitch" on AtS. Like I said I can understand being angry but I think the writers went a little overboard maybe? Then they had Angel come back to btvs to apologize to Buffy later on and that felt weird too. I think it was the beginning of the pattern of rewriting the characters when they crossed over to the other show to suit their needs (Angel in "Chosen", Willow in "Orpheus", Andrew in AtS S5, etc.) But other people didn't have that reaction so maybe a rewatch is in order.

The things we do for love! XD

Tell me about it. *lol* Shadowkat liked the character growth in the third ep and the interactions; they compared it to the late '70's sitcome WKRP in Cincinnati (one of my favorite shows back in the day). I'm not sure how much of that translates in what you're watching? Is the show subtitled or dubbed?
kikimay
Oct. 13th, 2013 05:17 pm (UTC)
I also think that what we see between them [...] is on some level a competition for the limited amount of attention and rewards that "the patriarchy" (represented by the WC, by parental figures like Giles) dole out. Which is why all three of them have to be part of the Spell that changes that perceived limitation or lack

Uh-uh, very interesting thought. Part of the rivalry that leads to Faith's unhappiness is because she was supposed to be "the one". She's been told that the Slayer was only one person at time and the presence of another one ruined her "big moment" making her less special. It's pretty much the conflict in old monarchies, when the second born was destined to live in the shadow of the firstborn because the king can only be one. But that's an arbitrary rule.

And new friendships can sometimes have a component of infatuation, almost romantic, talking to each other a lot, hanging out together, until the infatuation fades off. I suspect who we become friends with vs who we become lovers/partners with may simply be a matter of chance and circumstance in the given moment.


I was thinking about something similar the other day. When I meet a new friend I feel like I'm falling in love with him/her. Like "we have the same interests and you're so amazing! Can we spend ALL THE TIME together?" What's the difference with romance? (I mean, yes, there's difference ... but not so much. The core sentiment is kinda the same sometimes.)
I think that this also leads to the "bromance" idea, because when men are friends and spend a lot of time together actually loving each other's presence we - the society, whatever - see a romantic component in that. And I guess that's because we've been told that men are supposed to be less affective than women so if two men love each others so much there must be the sex involved. (And here's a slash fan talking, it's just that I feel that just because two men love each others that doesn't mean that they want to have sex)

Buffy, & Faith are intense in different ways. If Buffy & Angel tend to try to hold the intensity and in Buffy's case implode inward, Faith & Spike explode outward. Buffy fears that she is turning to stone and becoming cold although she feels things deeply; she touches the fire "and it "freezes me"; while Faith lives in the fire, she's so full of life. Her challenge is to tamp it down somewhat - not so much tame as bring it under control so she can use it purposefully without scorching the earth. I think the same is true of Spike.


Uh-uh again. I feel like both Faith and Spike are "I want it all and I want it now" and they can be more hurt by indifference than hate. While Buffy - and I relate with her in this aspect - is much more afraid of "having it all", even when she feels strong emotions.

Eleusis_walks meta on Faith and Buffy does cover some of this, but they focus on Faith as Erishkregal who wakes up and emerges from the underworld. I need to double-check but the versions of the Sumarian myth I read had Innana, the golden goddess, descend to the Underworld to Erishkregal, not the other way around.


I don't know the Sumarian myth! I would like to read about it though. (And pity that I don't have a dreamwidth account. I don't know if I can leave comments there! I have to check)

You know, Joss wrote all the Buffy parts in Sanctuary. All the other parts are written by Tim Minear, only Buffy is written by Whedon. So the "bitch" approach is something he specifically wanted. (And I can't blame Buffy because I would be livid with Faith in the same situation. The bodyswitch is really one of the ugliest violation we ever see in the show)

I don't know about the last episode of The Crazy Ones. I just saw it but ... I really don't know. I didn't laugh about it. It was about Sydney (SMG) being terrified to drive because her father traumatized her with his first "driving lesson" (He basically stopped driving the car and she had to take the wheel to prevent an accident) It's a truly moronic thing to do. I don't see nothing funny about it.
(I watch the show in streaming, without subs because I don't need them. I understand English well but I have difficulties to express myself)
eilowyn
Oct. 13th, 2013 02:20 am (UTC)
Wesley is a type-A Ravenclaw, but with Willow you need to use some of the smoosh houses - I'd put her in Slytherclaw, personally. And I will always stand by the statement that Spike is in Gryffindor but insists he should be in Slytherin and Angel is in Slytherin but insists he should be Gryffindor.

Personally, I'm a Ravenpuff. Smoosh names are fun.
kikimay
Oct. 13th, 2013 08:48 am (UTC)
The house smoosh is the best thing ever! And it helps a lot with these characters.

And I will always stand by the statement that Spike is in Gryffindor but insists he should be in Slytherin and Angel is in Slytherin but insists he should be Gryffindor.


THIS IS GREAT. It makes a lot of sense! Somebody gives Spike a red/yellow scarf, please. (He would fake his disdain, but he's totally the romantic knight)

Personally, I'm a Ravenpuff. Smoosh names are fun.


Ravenpuff is amazing. I want to be in the same house! XD
red_satin_doll
Oct. 13th, 2013 03:15 pm (UTC)
(He would fake his disdain, but he's totally the romantic knight)

totally - the Arthurian idea (knights of the roundtable etc) was extremely popular when William would have been alive, although the original ideas of "chivarly" would have been altered to suit Victorian tastes and mores. He plays this out in Dead Things and the back half of S6 but in the twisted version, the "dark knight" trying to save his lady; which is both mirrored and reversed in Chosen.
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