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Icons meme from Lokifan

Meme time! Meme are relaxing and I'm anxious so I need this.

Comment on this post with CONVERSE. I will choose seven (five if you prefer) userpics from your profile and you will explain what they mean and why you are using them. Post this along with your answers in your own journal so others can play along.




Smiling Buffy.

I must admit that all my icons are chosen basically to express my mood. I need some happy icons, some sad icons and so on. So sometimes I find the most beautiful icons but I don't put them in my LJ - there are so many pretty icons especially for the BtVS fandom, it becomes really hard to choose just a couple.

So, as I was saying, I use icons to express my mood and Buffy is so expressive! I love her and I identify with her especially in the latest seasons. I can use Buffy as my avatar. The smiling sequence in Restless is one of the cutest thing that I've ever seen and she looks so beautiful and, really, happy in that fantasy. I can't find a better smile.


William The Bloody icon.

This would be my sad icon. Nobody can look sadder that Spike sometimes. SMG is incredibly expressive and so JM. I've always considered his ability to convey emotions with just one look mesmerising and I'm so in love with his character. In this scene you can actually pinpoint the exact moment his heart broke into pieces. Poor William, I love you.


Blood ties Dawn and Buffy.

I love Blood Ties. I love everything about that episode and you can imagine why. Sisterly/brotherly bond is my favourite thing and I think that this image shows solidarity, affection and trust better than any other.


Angry Buffy

I choose this icon mostly because it's pretty and damn ironic. It expresses rage but there's also something funny about it because of the text. I actually didn't know that "rawr" was used to *say I love you in dinosaur* and red_satin_doll noticed the discrepancy between the text and the actual scene that the icon shows - which is one of the most violent scenes in all BtVS - but I appreciate the alley scene for so many reasons - because the heroine expresses her rage and all her internal turmoil in the most wrong way and I still feel that she's entitled to do so even if I love Spike very much, because women can be destructive too and good people can be destructive too and there's nothing strange about it. Sometimes even the most righteous person is just fucking pissed off.


Smiling Thor

I need more than one happy icon and something about Thor or Loki because I love them so much. I choose Thor because I feel like people always pick Loki - which is a stupid generalization because there are many people who love them both and everything but indulge me - and I think that Thor needs love because he's so damn adorable. Here, you can see, he's smiling. The thing about Thor's optimism - because I think that he's a very optimistic character in the end - it's that his attitude doesn't come from stupidity. He's not dumb because of his faith in Loki and Odin or his belief system. He's the golden prince of Asgard and he's pretty much the luckiest guy in the universe for so many reasons, but he also bears many responsabilities and major sadness and he does that ever so gracefully. Thor suffers a lot but he doesn't lose his smile and that doesn't mean that he's dumb. I think it means that he's really strong and full of love inside. Go Thor!











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red_satin_doll
Oct. 21st, 2013 06:27 pm (UTC)
I did say that about the angry Buffy icon didn't I? Which is odd - and not a criticism of you of course - but I was worried on your behalf that people would be offended. And that's just silly.

When I read clockwork_hart1's Buffy and Tara friendship fic there's a line where Buffy says that she and Spike were drowning and "too bad he couldn't swim." She's trying to make light of the situation but in fact she goes to Tara because she's not sure if she did the right thing in breaking up with him. But in my pimp post (ha) I said that some Spike fans might not like it. Guess what? The Spike fans who read my post and then commented on the story are grown-ups who have a pretty accurate or realistic view of Buffy&Spike, and I didn't give them enough credit for that. But again - I was worried about offense on the other person's behalf, and that's not my place.

Ok, enough of that.....

I do the same thing that you do with icons, use them to express emotions or try to "telegraph" tone of a post/reply - I'd have about 30 if I could but no way am I paying for an account, so I have to make due with 15 despite all the pretties I come across. I feel like I'm "missing something" but I'm not sure what. I had to make the laughing Buffy one (from the DT outtakes) and the lesbian vampire seal of approval one because I had too many serious icons. (I might have chosen her smile from Restless myself but I identify that icon with you so much that I wanted something different.)

but I appreciate the alley scene for so many reasons - because the heroine expresses her rage and all her internal turmoil in the most wrong way and I still feel that she's entitled to do so even if I love Spike very much, because women can be destructive too and good people can be destructive too and there's nothing strange about it. Sometimes even the most righteous person is just fucking pissed off.

So much WORD to all of this. I hate watching it but I understand WHY it's happening. I think Dead Things and Who are You just might be my two favorite episodes, and they parallel one another beautifully - you can draw a direct line from WAY to the events of S6. And the fact that it's Sarah playing Faith in WAY, and she brings equal intensity to both in some of the most raw depictions of anger I've seen on tv - why doesn't she get more praise for her work in these eps? (aside from any in-story criticisms) I don't think Eliza could have summoned quite the same raw power in that church scene but I may be wrong.
kikimay
Oct. 21st, 2013 07:06 pm (UTC)
I did say that about the angry Buffy icon didn't I? Which is odd - and not a criticism of you of course - but I was worried on your behalf that people would be offended. And that's just silly.

Yes, yes, I remember that you were afraid that people would be offended because the icon shows that particular scene. But I also remember that you told me about the meaning of "rawr", I didn't know it.

So much WORD to all of this. I hate watching it but I understand WHY it's happening. I think Dead Things and Who are You just might be my two favorite episodes, and they parallel one another beautifully - you can draw a direct line from WAY to the events of S6. And the fact that it's Sarah playing Faith in WAY, and she brings equal intensity to both in some of the most raw depictions of anger I've seen on tv - why doesn't she get more praise for her work in these eps? (aside from any in-story criticisms) I don't think Eliza could have summoned quite the same raw power in that church scene but I may be wrong.


Actually I agree about Eliza. I think she plays really well Faith, but SMG's performance has something ... raw, as you said. And it's really like seeing Buffy's dark mirror which is fascinating and scary at the same time.
I also love Dead Things but I don't watch it often. I'm a big Spike fan - I LOVE him so much - but Buffy's pain is the thing that makes me uncomfortable/sad watching it. I just don't like to see her suffering, even if the episode is really great.
red_satin_doll
Oct. 21st, 2013 11:38 pm (UTC)
I told you what "rawr" meant? I DO NOT remember that. But, hey, housefire, lots of things on my mind, bitty blah... *lol*

I think she plays really well Faith, but SMG's performance has something ... raw, as you said. And it's really like seeing Buffy's dark mirror which is fascinating and scary at the same time.

I find it ironic and amusing that in one of the most important episodes in Faith's arc in btvs - sort of the "turning point" for her - Faith is actually played by Sarah; but beyond her astonishing performance, it does indeed make extremely explicit that Faith is her dark mirror. And that Faith's darkness will become Buffy's own as she descends into her own "heart of darkness". One of these days I will actually get around to writing that WAY/DT meta on exactly that subject - how Faith and Spike are both Buffy's dark mirrors, and the dynamic/trajectory is almost identical, save for the B/S sexual relationship.

I just don't like to see her suffering, even if the episode is really great.

I sometimes wonder if I'm an awful person - it's not that I like to see people suffer but Sarah's intensity - in terms of sadness, rage or depression, sexual desire etc - is something I find mesmerizing. (I may be an emotional sadist.)
kikimay
Oct. 22nd, 2013 06:29 pm (UTC)
I told you what "rawr" meant? I DO NOT remember that. But, hey, housefire, lots of things on my mind, bitty blah... *lol*

Yes, you told me the meaning! XD

I sometimes wonder if I'm an awful person - it's not that I like to see people suffer but Sarah's intensity - in terms of sadness, rage or depression, sexual desire etc - is something I find mesmerizing. (I may be an emotional sadist.)


I don't think you're an emotional sadist, not at all! All writers and artists should be emotional sadist then and maybe that's sometimes true but generally it's the cathartic process of art that allows one to feel the emotions but don't feel the hurt. Heroes need to suffer if we want to learn something from them.

I have the same emotional response towards Spike's suffering. I feel guilty, but I enjoy his angsty moments, he's really intense. With Buffy it depends. I don't like to see her defeated and maybe that's because I relate too much. I dislike to rewatch Innocence, for example, because it breaks my heart seeing her so vulnerable while that Angelus jerk enjoys her pain. It pisses me off!
red_satin_doll
Oct. 22nd, 2013 07:11 pm (UTC)
Heroes need to suffer if we want to learn something from them.

But there has to be a balance. "Suffering" in and of itself doesn't teach us anything, and it's tempting to wallow in pain, suffering and misery. & With "anti-heros" and "likeable villains", it's tempting to prioritize their suffering over the suffering of their victims.

I've read so much fiction (published, fanfic, whatever) in which a character wallows in their grief and it takes on a very indulgent, almost fetishized nature. This may be part of the appeal of torture fics? "Suffering" in physical form. (It's certainly the appeal of self-harm, cutting, self-flagellation, etc - I never understood this until I was in my late 20's - releasing internal pain in an external way; or at the very least provides a distraction.) Except at some point you realize that the stick just broke on your arm and you're left with an "owie" PLUS the internal pain you were already feeling, so that solved absolutely nothing.

Maybe Buffy's pain and suffering is my current "cat o nine tails". Safer than the real thing!

With Buffy it depends. I don't like to see her defeated and maybe that's because I relate too much. I dislike to rewatch Innocence, for example, because it breaks my heart seeing her so vulnerable while that Angelus jerk enjoys her pain

Speaking of Angelus, I can't bring myself to rewatch Passions after that first time last year because OMG HE KILLED JENNY! And then watching Giles go up to his bedroom thinking she's arranged a romantic evening - CHRIST, that is just sadistic. Not even for Angelus - I mean the writers themselves.

Re: souled Angel, he's the reason I don't rewatch S3 much (despite Faith). Come back from Hell clinging to buffy, she hides him, tries to take care of him, break up with her in a SEWER, then dance with her at the prom, yadda yadda - he treats Buffy like a fucking yo-yo until he decides to cut the string. I felt like hollering at the screen the entire season "Will you just leave the poor girl alone and give her room to grieve and move on?"

I dislike seeing her humiliated; I won't even get into the episodes that send me into frothing rage on that account. (Including the comics, which seem to be all about humiliating Buffy - but S6 had it's moments.)
kikimay
Oct. 22nd, 2013 07:36 pm (UTC)

But there has to be a balance. "Suffering" in and of itself doesn't teach us anything, and it's tempting to wallow in pain, suffering and misery. & With "anti-heros" and "likeable villains", it's tempting to prioritize their suffering over the suffering of their victims.


Yes, there is also that sadistic component, but I frankly don't think that that's your case or Buffy's case - except for some scenes in S3, the Innocence thing, S6 and basically the whole S8 unfortunately ... ehrm. (But in these case the writers are responsible)

Sometimes it feels good to unleash the inner drama queen or the sadistic writer - for those who write fanfics - but generally I think that Buffy's pain is very realistic and linked to certain circumstances. I can empathize and learn from her.

Personally I dislike the whole S3 Bangel drama because of ANNOYING. (I remember when I was a little girl and I used to fancy that useless drama) but I still love the Prom dance scene. I'm just fucking pissed with Angelus in S2 because she was, really, so young and he was an asshole. For example I so don't get the Angelus sexyness thingy. I mean, he's certainly sexy, DB is a beautiful man, but I wouldn't touch that dick with a stick because of assholeness.
red_satin_doll
Oct. 23rd, 2013 07:39 pm (UTC)
I still think a lot of it gets back to Joss trying to work out his own issues - which we all do as writers (I mean, holy cats, some of the torture porn I've seen...and Joss making a torture porn film, Cabin in the Woods, while claiming to "subvert" the genre? Ah, no. Just no.) But his discomfort with female sexuality especially gets in the way of his claims to feminism.

generally I think that Buffy's pain is very realistic and linked to certain circumstances. I can empathize and learn from her.

That's my general feeling as well. and I will say (again) that I think Sarah's performance has a LOT to do with that. I know some people can easily imagine another actor in the role but I can't; any more than I can imagine David and James switching roles.

I'm just fucking pissed with Angelus in S2 because she was, really, so young and he was an asshole.

He was a soulless monster though. I take him to task much harder for what he does while souled - lying to buffy, keeping information from her; mind-wiping her against her stated consent in IWRY (which he then does later in AtS re: Connor, I understand?) Dumping Buffy in a sewer, making unilateral decisions "I'm leaving and I'm not saying goodbye." He doesn't treat her with respect. And the fact that at 200+ years old he falls in love and has sex with her - deflowers her, in the language of Liam's day - doesn't help. He's still the adult in the situation ergo, power imbalance. Hiding things from her maintains that balance.

I mean, he's certainly sexy, DB is a beautiful man, but I wouldn't touch that dick with a stick because of assholeness.

The series Bones has descended to a level of stupidity I now find funny but I still do enjoy his presence in it, and that surprises me. And yes he is handsome even. But re: his genitals? I laughed so hard at your comment - and ewww. You reminded me why I'm happy to be a lesbian!
kikimay
Oct. 23rd, 2013 07:58 pm (UTC)

That's my general feeling as well. and I will say (again) that I think Sarah's performance has a LOT to do with that. I know some people can easily imagine another actor in the role but I can't; any more than I can imagine David and James switching roles.


AMEN. But, I mean, you're talking with a girl who's watching "The Crazy Ones" just because Sarah is a protagonist. I love that woman and I think she's an amazing actress. I can't imagine a better Buffy.

He was a soulless monster though. I take him to task much harder for what he does while souled - lying to buffy, keeping information from her; mind-wiping her against her stated consent in IWRY (which he then does later in AtS re: Connor, I understand?) Dumping Buffy in a sewer, making unilateral decisions "I'm leaving and I'm not saying goodbye." He doesn't treat her with respect. And the fact that at 200+ years old he falls in love and has sex with her - deflowers her, in the language of Liam's day - doesn't help. He's still the adult in the situation ergo, power imbalance. Hiding things from her maintains that balance.


But I wish that the show would really address this shitty behaviour and really call it for what it is. Instead they still are playing the soulmates-immortal-whatever even in the comics. It sucks!

The series Bones has descended to a level of stupidity I now find funny but I still do enjoy his presence in it, and that surprises me. And yes he is handsome even. But re: his genitals? I laughed so hard at your comment - and ewww. You reminded me why I'm happy to be a lesbian!


LOLOLOL. It was figurative speech XD It's just that I don't think that a guy like that could be ever in my radar. I hate aggressive pompous guys.



Edited at 2013-10-23 07:58 pm (UTC)
red_satin_doll
Oct. 23rd, 2013 08:40 pm (UTC)
WORD to every single thought here!

But I wish that the show would really address this shitty behaviour and really call it for what it is. Instead they still are playing the soulmates-immortal-whatever even in the comics. It sucks!

I was just explaining on il_mio_capitano's post on the S10 comics that I started to get a little excited about them because Jeanty is no longer doing the artwork and there's a new creative team - but there's also this huge Angel-shaped problem for me and I lose interest.
http://il-mio-capitano.livejournal.com/121345.html?view=407809#t407809

Why not have an Idi Amin comics title? Angel's responsible in the comics for the deaths of hundreds of Slayers directly or indirectly; we don't need to replay the fact that his actions have been handwaved away. As I said over there, he gets to be the hero with his own title again and his pain and suffering (wah-wah-wah) is prioritized over the victims who are given no voice (except for Buffy, who just accepts all the guilt and responsibility anyway.)
kikimay
Oct. 23rd, 2013 08:56 pm (UTC)

I was just explaining on il_mio_capitano's post on the S10 comics that I started to get a little excited about them because Jeanty is no longer doing the artwork and there's a new creative team - but there's also this huge Angel-shaped problem for me and I lose interest.


I forgot about S10. I was the most enthusiast fangirl at the beginning of S9, but there are too many things that put me off. The writing, most of all, and how the characters are treated. I just adore Rebekah Isaacs' style and I'm glad that Jeanty isn't the artist anymore. The fact is that I don't think that they're going to resolve the Angel-shaped problem. Not after S9. And I liked Angel, especially in AtS, but all this whitewashing and some fanatical fans - I have to admit it - really put me off.
red_satin_doll
Oct. 23rd, 2013 10:26 pm (UTC)
I had a little hope for S9 when they (actually Joss in his snarky "apology letter") claimed they'd "get back to basics" - and lost it in the first panels when Buffy was trying to remember if she'd been knocked up at her own party the night before. Fuck that noise.

The fact is that I don't think that they're going to resolve the Angel-shaped problem.

Because they don't think it IS a problem, even though it's been pointed out to them.
red_satin_doll
Oct. 24th, 2013 07:51 pm (UTC)
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/10/10/buffy-2/image-660/

That's the dual cover and like I said, Buffy's slight smile reminds me of her expression before she fights Adam in The Yoko Factor - she's quipping to a Big Bad who doesn't get her humor at all. (In fact, that's a sure sign of a Big Bad - doesn't appreciate Buffy's wit.)

But then that Angel-shaped problem and once they committed to that, to the retcon, there's really no "rehabilitating" the entire story for me.

kikimay
Oct. 25th, 2013 10:32 am (UTC)

But then that Angel-shaped problem and once they committed to that, to the retcon, there's really no "rehabilitating" the entire story for me.


S9 was the place and time to go deep on Angel but S9 tells us that, okay, he killed a lot of people but he had good intentions and anyway people die all the time and whatever. So I also think that the Angel case is basically closed. Pity because I really liked Angel's storyline in S5 of AtS, even with all his manpain and drama and it's sad to see the character so stereotyped after that. But all the characters in the comics - except Faith and Kennedy - are the shadows of themselves. That puts me off.
gillo
Oct. 21st, 2013 06:43 pm (UTC)
Uh, CONVERSE?

Choose some of my userpics if you like - I quite enjoy this meme.
kikimay
Oct. 21st, 2013 07:10 pm (UTC)
Your icons.

1) Sanctuary; 2) Aristocrat; 3) Alas; 4) Green wing; 5) Clem; 6) OMWF Spike; 7) Fruit flash.
red_satin_doll
Oct. 22nd, 2013 07:14 pm (UTC)
BTW - I've read the quote at the top of this post and I'm still not sure how this "game" (meme) is played?
kikimay
Oct. 22nd, 2013 07:19 pm (UTC)
You reply with the word CONVERSE and I choose 5/7 icons of yours - or mine, if you prefer - and then you have to explain why you choose them.
red_satin_doll
Oct. 22nd, 2013 07:28 pm (UTC)
Ok! CONVERSE if you feel comfortable choosing 5-7 of mine. (I'm hash at remembering stuff myself.)
kikimay
Oct. 22nd, 2013 07:44 pm (UTC)
My choices are:

1) Laughing Dead Things, 2) Tara does not approve, 3) Chosen One purple, 4) Winged!Buffy 5) Dawn & Buffy.
red_satin_doll
Oct. 22nd, 2013 08:17 pm (UTC)
OOH! Definitely some of my personal faves - if I could add a sixth it's be Bargaining buffy and tara.

(And now I know how to find other people's userpics in their profiles. So this is both fun AND educational!)
red_satin_doll
Oct. 23rd, 2013 08:14 pm (UTC)
I use icons the way you do, mostly, to express emotions. And I try to chose or make ones that I haven't seen elsewhere or are overused images.

1) Laughing Dead Things: One of the first BtVS icons I made and I wish it were better now (lighter, brighter, etc) . Most of my Buffy icons were very serious and I wanted something with Buffy laughing or smiling but I already associated the Restless image with you and molly_may, and other people have used the image of her laughing from The Real Me, so I wanted something that no one else was using AFAIK. The screencap site Leave Me the White has caps from the Smashed and DT outtakes, and I love the contrast between the extreme darkness of the episode - one of my favorites btw - and Sarah laughing during the dream sequence. Few things are sexier than laughter IMO.


2) Tara does not approve: After Buffy, Tara is the second most-frequent character in my icons. I found this one on www.fanpop.com by "Laurik 2007" . I needed a cap that expressed "mild to moderate disapproval" and I like being reminded that Tara isn't just about love and puppies, that there are other sides to her personality.


3) Chosen One purple: valyssia made this one and gave me permission to use it; it's been my default icon ever since. I think she's one of the best artists in this fandom. Purple is one of my favorite colors, Buffy is my favorite character, I love the late seasons, and this is just one of the most exquisite icons I've seen in this fandom, full-stop. To me it's a master class in working with layers.


4) Winged!Buffy: Like Chosen One purple, this doesn't express an emotion per se except my love of Buffy and good artwork. I've talked about this one at length on my LJ: http://red-satin-doll.livejournal.com/16934.html Long story short: comlodge made me the Winged!Buffy image as a gift, based on our convos using an image of Sarah from the Vaseline Co "Love Your Body" campaign a few years back. I sharpened her's slightly and made that the image on my "welcome" post, and then with her permission made an icon of it. I lightened the colors slightly, which reminds me a little of Botticelli's painting "Primavera (Spring)"


5) Dawn and Buffy: One of my favorite icons of those I've made. I love the Summers sisters, and had high hopes for plenty of interaction between them in S7. That didn't pan out but Him is one of the episodes that gave me hope - it's basically about the two of them, and the scene at the Bronze is one of my favorites. The argument feels so real of an older/younger sister dynamic, and I thought Dawn was going to slap Buffy when she mentioned Joyce. The scene just hurts and I hurt for both of them.

I originally was going to offer this out to everyone in an "icon dump" but loved it so much I decided to keep it. I love the contrast of Dawn in the foreground but out of focus, furious; buffy in the background but in focus, obviously frustrated with herself and the situation. It makes a nice pairing with a couple of other icons I've done of them from Bargaining. with the focus reversed:


FYI I'm using one of my other favorites of the ones I've made here, Buffy & Tara Bargaining; I wanted a Buffy & Tara friendship icon and this was the first image where I got both of them together and got the image to my liking.


Edited at 2013-10-23 08:18 pm (UTC)
kikimay
Oct. 23rd, 2013 08:58 pm (UTC)
Intersting answers! (And, if you want, you can post them in your journal and keep playing the meme with other users)
red_satin_doll
Oct. 23rd, 2013 09:13 pm (UTC)
i wanted to yesterday but didn't have time
gillo
Oct. 26th, 2013 06:35 pm (UTC)
Answered on my LJ.
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