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Hi, everyone!
Today is ever_neutral's birthday. Happy birthday to you!

Day 1: Favorite Season
Day 2: Favorite Episode
Day 3: Favorite Song Used In An Episode
Day 4: Favorite Female Character
Day 5: Least Favorite Female Character
Day 6: Favorite Male Character
Day 7: Least Favorite Male Character
Day 8: Favorite Friendship
Day 9: Favorite Romance
Day 10: Least Favorite Season
Day 11: Least Favorite Romance
Day 12: Least Favorite Episode
Day 13: Favorite Potential Slayer
Day 14: Favorite Female Villain
Day 15: Favorite Male Villain
Day 16: Episode You Like That Everyone Else Hates
Day 17: Character You Relate To The Most
Day 18: Character Who Didn’t Get Enough Screen Time
Day 19: Character You Like That Everyone Else Hates
Day 20: Best Spike-centric Episode
Day 21: Best Willow-centric Episode
Day 22: Best Xander-centric Episode
Day 23: Two Characters You Wanted To Get Together That Never Did
Day 24: Hottest scene
Day 25: Favorite Buffyverse Saying
Day 26: Favorite Scooby Moment
Day 27: Cutest Moment
Day 28: Character You Love To Hate
Day 29: Episode You Hate That Everyone Else Loves
Day 30: What You Think Made Buffy So Great

I thought about this and I have a kinda conflicted (?) answer to the implicit question.

When I think about BtVS I think about complex relationships more than friendship itself. For example, I'm forever fascinated by Giles and Buffy's bond. It's not a friendship, it's more like a parent/child bond and Giles works as father figure for Buffy (Just now I read a Buffy-centric fic about fathers wrote by ruuger )

I forever love the Buffy family. It's not about friendship, not only, they seem a big family to me, with all the dynsfuction that a big family can have because, really, where is this family where everybody is not jealous/unhappy/sometimes an asshole? The Buffyverse relationships seem true to me, even when they are very troubled. (Like Xander shaming Buffy for her sentimental choices. Shut up, Xander! You're the annoying cousin who's still pissed for his secret and rejected crush)

But when do we see Willow's parents being actually involved in Willow's life? Or when do we get to see Giles' relatives (I'm not talking about the comics)? Giles, Buffy, Xander, Anya, Tara, Dawn ... they all are part of something imperfect but so important. Something that is the true core of BtVS and while I don't particularly like Xander/Willow/Buffy's friendship, because they are sometimes abusive or hypocritical with each others and they don't always say or do the right thing, I have to admit that they are the beginning of everything. Without that imperfect and sometimes fucked up friendship we wouldn't have the Buffyverse. So I don't really think about Xander and Buffy and Willow, when I think about my favourites friendships, but they start a family and it's so important and ultimately they are always there for it.

That said, if I had to choose a particular friendship ... my answer is Spike & Dawn.

Buffy is a little bit involved in that relationship, but in the end it's really all about Spike and Dawn. He truly appreciates her. He's a vampire with a chip in his head who likes to tell big scary stories about himself, because he likes to cultivate this badass persona he has, and he genuinely find a friend and an accomplice in Dawn. He doesn't have to love her - like he does with the rest of the Scooby gang he can tilt his head and tell them to sod off - but he does. He likes to spend time with Dawn - who is supposed to be the "big spaz". TRUE FRIENDSHIP. And Buffy has nothing to do with that.

Also the most amazing moment in S9 / SPOILER ALERT / is it or not the one between Spike and Dawn, when he fought to remember her? Spike and Dawn are lovely together. And they are so peculiar: an evil-now reformed Big Bad and a mystical ancient-but-new key. Curious pairing, isn't it? Weird friendships are the best. I think that it works so much because Dawn is a very different person from Buffy. Of course, at the beginning she's very naive and she likes to hear scary stories about William The Bloody, with the mindless fascination of a fourteen years old (Mindless because I really think that innocence makes interesting the stories from a serial killer) but she also grows up a lot and she seems more ruthless than Buffy in a certain way. Buffy could be the Slayer, but Dawn can be pretty scary when she's pissed off.

I hope that, at least, we get to have much more Spike & Dawn in S10.


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Mar. 19th, 2014 09:54 pm (UTC)
Spike and Dawn I always had a hard time with because I felt like he was supposed to be this barely-not-evil vampire, not yet ready to be so gentle with a young girl. They did have some nice moments, though. My favorite Spike friendship is Spike and Willow. I would have liked to see more of that. My favorite friendship, period, as you may know, is Willow and Xander.
Mar. 19th, 2014 11:43 pm (UTC)
Spike and Willow have great comedy moments, but ultimately I'm not interested in their relationship. Xander and Willow are the core of that core (They were there together before Buffy) but I don't really love their relationship.

Ps: sexy and lovely icon! :D
Mar. 20th, 2014 02:00 pm (UTC)
Xander and Willow are the core of that core (They were there together before Buffy) but I don't really love their relationship.

Those two and Jesse--who doesn't get mentioned much, does he?

Ps: sexy and lovely icon! :D

Thanks kathyh made it. Gorgeous, isn't it?
Mar. 20th, 2014 12:31 am (UTC)
YES! I love the Spike and Dawn friendship -- the way they came together, because they were both on the outside, and both coming to terms with an abrupt change in their sense of self. I'm not a Dawn fan, but I think she's at her best with Spike. He doesn't treat her like a child, and so she behaves more maturely with him; and she doesn't treat him like a monster, so he responds to her with kindness.

I do think, though (and this is not a negative) that his friendship with Dawn is linked very closely to his feelings about Buffy. Buffy sees Dawn as the innocent, untouched, unhardened part of herself, and at first, Spike sees her this way too. She's the part of Buffy that loves him, and allows herself to be loved by him. And later, of course, she's precious to him because Buffy entrusted her to him. But I do agree that they have a very natural connection with each other. They're simpatico.

I've never read the comics, so it's always been sad to me that they weren't able to mend their friendship by the end of the series.
Mar. 20th, 2014 01:29 pm (UTC)
I partially agree with you: there is Buffy involved. Spike is interested in everything about her and Dawn is one of her most important parts, but I think that there's also genuine affection from them both. Spike isn't so involved with the Scoobies (And they are part of Buffy too.)

I'm also sad that, in the end, there wasn't a reunion moment for Dawn and Spike. (And that makes me think that Dawn is very different from Buffy that way, she doesn't forgive so much as her sister)
Mar. 20th, 2014 03:32 am (UTC)
Spike and Dawn for me, too! Although Spike taking care of Dawn is adorable, it's really Dawn being able to feel like she "belongs" (ha) that gets to me.

And thanks for the b'day wishes!
Mar. 20th, 2014 01:38 pm (UTC)
You're welcome. :)

I tend to squee mostly from Spike's point of view, because I feel so much for him, but of course it's very important for Dawn too, because she choose this friend. (Btw, have you read kwritten's meta about Dawn? She explain her point of view much better than me)
Mar. 21st, 2014 01:07 am (UTC)
I have read that meta! That's actually what I had in mind! :D
Mar. 20th, 2014 09:34 am (UTC)
I think if I wrote a "Why I Ship Spuffy" manifesto and got down to the nitty gritty of it, somewhere near the center would be Spike and Dawn friendship. When I first discovered BtVS, season 5 was airing. I was heavily depressed, so all I did was watch TV. My sister, who's ten years younger (let's see...I think I was seventeen and she was seven?), would watch with me, curled up next to me on the couch. And we'd watch Spike and Dawn and say "that's how it's going to be when Sissy has a boyfriend," because we both thought that when I finally did start dating, he would treat my sister like Spike treats Dawn. Add my love for Buffy, and you have my One True Family (minus Tara), so shipping Spuffy was natural for me. And it was all because I wanted a guy who would love my sister like Spike loves Dawn.

So yes. I approve of this message.

BTW, have you read this? It's a great essay on Dawn and Spike as outsiders.
Mar. 20th, 2014 01:33 pm (UTC)
Agreed. I deeply believe that Spike and Buffy could work as a couple also because he has this great relationship with Dawn. He's involved with all the *real* parts of Buffy, the things that really matter for her. Plus Spike + Buffy + Dawn is like a nuclear family. I love them so much.

Thanks for the essay's link!

Edited at 2014-03-20 01:49 pm (UTC)
Mar. 20th, 2014 02:10 pm (UTC)
Aww yes, Spike and Dawn's unlikely friendship was one of my favourites too :)
Apr. 9th, 2014 03:14 pm (UTC)
They are cute, aren't day?
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